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Take me back to the day of the murders, when you went to the hospital. I’m just talking to different people, and I need to double-check some facts. What do you remember?
We were meeting outside of the glass door. A huge place with a lot of curtains. So a doctor called us to a little room, where he told us that he had passed on. So we went to see Ram, and that’s when Jerry [Clayworth] wanted to go in, and the other lady that I thought was Jerry’s girlfriend. We were there a long, long time, the boys were crying. I thought, God, this is the first time I see men cry! Men do cry, but I had never seen my boys cry. They were hugging each other and I touched Ramiro’s face and said, “Oh, Ramiro… Oh, Ram.” And my tears rolled down.

And then, after a while, a long while, there’s a guy asking my daughter in law, Mark’s wife, “Who are you?” And she said , “I’m Dianne, I’m Mark’s wife.” Then they let him in and he approached me. And he said, “I’m Manuel.” And I said “Manuel who?” “My father’s Ram.” And he said, “I know who you are.” So I asked him, “What is your grandma’s name?” And he said, “Sarabia,” so I said to myself, “He’s related, or something.” And then he said, “What are you going to do with the bar?” And I said, “What you need to do is go over there and see your father. Don’t worry about the bar. I’m not even thinking about that.” See? That’s all they cared about. The jukebox and Taco Land. That’s when I told Eddie and Mark, this is your father’s son. They said, “What?” I was crazy, but for some reason God gave me knowledge to think. But now let me ask you something about Jerry Clayworth: why are you defending him?

What makes you think I’m defending him? I just can’t understand why it is so important for the family to stop Jerry from doing the Ram Jam. Why doesn’t the family start its own thing?
I’m embarrassed that my mother dishes out $27,000 and then [Agnes] comes around and Jerry comes around, and I’m like, what the hell happened? Ram Jam should be handled by the families, not Jerry. I’d like to ask the other side of the family: did you give him permission to do this? I know I didn’t. And we cannot be having two [Ram Jams]. There should be only one. I’m just going to go back to ‘Bucket’ (Ram used to call her “Bucket”) and kick Jerry Clayworth’s ass out, even if I have to talk to [Agnes]. All in all, I feel sorry for [the Ayalas]. I’m not like, “You, bitch, he’s mine.” No, no. I feel very bad for both families. But I know: Ramiro was a son of a bitch, but he was not a son o f a bitch with me. And that is the truth. Whatever I needed, he was there for me.

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